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Chrysididae from Zaragoza, NE Spain

PostPosted: 27 Apr 2019 22:35
by Isidro
Pics taken today at Juslibol, Zaragoza, NE Spain, 200 meters over sea, dry gypsy steppes, on flowers of Euphorbia serrata. Chrysidid measures about 10-11 millimeters.
Please help ID!
Thanks!

Re: Chrysididae from Zaragoza, NE Spain

PostPosted: 28 Apr 2019 12:12
by Euchroeus
Hi Isidro,

I would say Chrysura refulgens (Spinola)
nice and large species!

Ciao!

Re: Chrysididae from Zaragoza, NE Spain

PostPosted: 28 Apr 2019 20:19
by Isidro
Thanks a lot Paolo! :) Yes it was fairly large :) In the very same plant of Euphorbia I've found other two Chrysididae! But without photos :( One was a bit smaller and th the last abdominal terguite blue, abdomen red and head and thorax blue. But I took only a frontal photo where the abdomen cannot be seen and it flew away :-( And the other was spectacular! Much smaller (maybe 6-7 mm) and totally blue-green, similar to Trichrysis cyanea. But the wind was shaking the plant and I cannot take a decent image of it, only blurry ones before it flew away :(

Re: Chrysididae from Zaragoza, NE Spain

PostPosted: 24 Jun 2019 16:48
by MobiusOne
Sure is an impressive specimen! I'm from Belgium, which doesn't really have the same climate as Spain, and when I saw one of these for the first time on a professional trip, I thought that global warming had gone mad and that some crazy tropical insects from the African jungle had arrived all the way to Spain :razz: thanks for the identification and detailed pictures, I'll go to bed smarter than when I left it!

Re: Chrysididae from Zaragoza, NE Spain

PostPosted: 27 Jun 2019 12:12
by Euchroeus
:welcome: Oliver :welcome: !

Re: Chrysididae from Zaragoza, NE Spain

PostPosted: 27 Jun 2019 20:02
by MobiusOne
Thanks! That forum is fascinating, I think I'll stay for a while!

Re: Chrysididae from Zaragoza, NE Spain

PostPosted: 27 Jun 2019 20:43
by jeromec
Chrysura refulgens is a "common" Chrysidid in mediterranean area.
The species is a parasite of big Anthidiini as Rodanthidium septemdentatum (common species) which nest in snails shells, often in calcarous area (garrigue, villages...).

Jérôme

Re: Chrysididae from Zaragoza, NE Spain

PostPosted: 30 Jun 2019 21:54
by MobiusOne
Merci pour l'explication, je ne savais pas qu'elles pouvaient vivre dans les coquilles d'escargots!

Thanks for the explanation, I didn't know they could nest in snail shells!

Re: Chrysididae from Zaragoza, NE Spain

PostPosted: 15 Jul 2019 19:31
by jeromec
Some Chrysididae are cleptoparasits of Megachilidae (Osmiini) which nesting in snails shells :
Chrysura cuprea, dichroa, trimaculata rufiventris -> Osmia rufohirta, bicolor, aurulenta, (spinulosa ? ).

Some Eumeninae (Leptochilus duplicatus, Euodynerus spp) are nesting in shells too, but I don't know if Chrysidids parasits their nests.
But the french specialist of Vespidae will give me a Chrysidid which was opened of a snail shell used by an Eumeninae :-)